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Prettylolo
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i wanted to see if anyone had any advice for me.

as most of you know, we adopted two strays from the shelter two months ago. they were found together, starving, sick, etc, so we adopted them together.

they will not eat out of separate bowls, they will not go outside to potty without each other, they won't sleep without each other, etc. they are inseparable.

then, within the last week we've been having issues with them fighting.

i don't mean playing fighting either, i mean FIGHTING. fighting to the point that dh and i both have gotten our hands ripped open trying to separate them and they will not back down no matter what.

nothing seems to trigger this, it just happens out of the blue. the fights are nasty and they end up bleeding, limping, etc. i don't understand it and i don't know what to do. they couldn't live without each other and now two months later after life has been great for them they can't live together?????

any advice would be nice. my worry is that one of my kids is going to end up in the middle of it and get really hurt and then the dogs will have to go and i don't want that to happen.

does anybody have any idea why this might be happening?


 
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Wow..Usually it is just a eating time they argue so I don't have any advice. We had to put separate bowls in separate areas for us but this is different. Good luck.


 
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Lori,
I forget, are they same sex? How old? Siblings maybe?

It could be that they are now entering adolescence and asserting their role. Establishing the pecking order, so to speak.



 
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normally if they are the same sex they will fight for dominence, especially males. I'd sugest getting them fixed to settle them down.


 
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I would bet 'something' is triggering it, it's just not obvious to us humans, who don't speak dog.


 
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  • KimKV on 02-09-10 04:55 PM
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This is a head scratcher indeed. I could understand food, attention and toys. Have you contacted a trainer or animal behavior specialist?


 
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I think maybe they are having it so good and are rembering the bad times causing them to get aggressive. Maybe seperate them as best you can for a few days and then bring them back together, you may have to let one go elsewhere if things continue to be bad. Good luck, very nice of you to adopt them! Your kids have to come first and as a child I was bitten by a dog- don't risk it.


 
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If they're drawing blood, it is definitely cause for concern.

I've heard horror stories about people who ignore the fighting, only to come home and find one dog dead.

Certainly instruct the kids to STAY AWAY when/if the dogs fight!!


 
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we have 2 male dogs & they are from the same family, for about 6 months they did this, i guess they decided one was boss & they have stopped but ours are little so it was just more annoying than anything.


 
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my girls are spayed and about one year old. we are assuming they are from the same litter but have no clue since they were found together in the middle of nowhere.

they are 29 and 31 lbs.

i have instructed the kids to stay the heck away from them. i am worried about coming home to one of them being dead it scares me terribly.


 
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Call Cesear Millan!


 
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  • Anonymous on 02-09-10 06:10 PM
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Oh Lori, that stinks


 
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Do you know what age they are? would it be possible to start training them, teaching them basics like sit and come here and then move on to other useful commands like stay. If there is a person with each on a leash they could learn together and maybe having teaching and learning could distract them from fighting so much? Just a thought. And if they are not already leash trained that could be the first lesson. What breed(s) are they, some dogs just get easily bored and fighting gives them something to do I hate to say. I hope things improve for all concerned


 
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Well, Lo.. that IS weird since its a new behavior and everything was hunky dory before. Since they're shelter dogs, I'm assuming they're both spayed. It sounds like a fight for dominance. A year old sounds plenty old enough for that.

Do you have a crate? I would crate them seperately whenever you have to leave them alone in the house.

Watch their behavior carefully. SOMETHING is triggering the fights, you've just got to catch them before it starts to see who is doing WHAT.. then maybe it'll give you a better idea as to how to deal with it.

I'd also call the shelter and get some advice, didn't you say they had a behavior counselor type person that you could talk to? Her suggestions really helped out before, maybe it could help now too.

I'm sorry that's going down. New doggy stress is not good. I'm 6 ft from the edge myself. It's good to warn your kids to stay away if they fight. But it's scary to see that happen for a kid.


 
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  • Prettylolo Said:
i wanted to see if anyone had any advice for me.

as most of you know, we adopted two strays from the shelter two months ago. they were found together, starving, sick, etc, so we adopted them together.

they will not eat out of separate bowls, they will not go outside to potty without each other, they won't sleep without each other, etc. they are inseparable.

then, within the last week we've been having issues with them fighting.

i don't mean playing fighting either, i mean FIGHTING. fighting to the point that dh and i both have gotten our hands ripped open trying to separate them and they will not back down no matter what.

nothing seems to trigger this, it just happens out of the blue. the fights are nasty and they end up bleeding, limping, etc. i don't understand it and i don't know what to do. they couldn't live without each other and now two months later after life has been great for them they can't live together?????

any advice would be nice. my worry is that one of my kids is going to end up in the middle of it and get really hurt and then the dogs will have to go and i don't want that to happen.

does anybody have any idea why this might be happening?



A couple of suggestions:

1. when they fight and you can separate them, force them on their back, in a submissive position, and firmly tell the dog: "no." This might help establish you as the alpha male of the pack. Don't get close to their faces but look at them, safely, and firmly let them know YOU are the boss.

2. contact the shelter - often they have people who will give advice and help with situations like this one. You can also try a doggie day care place or a local parks & rec (they usually have someone who teaches dog obedience); or even a Petco or PetSmart.

3. Keep them separated for a time and only allow them together in controlled situations until they can get along.

4. Are they neutered / altered? If not, you might want to have this done. Often this can reduce the agression and bad habits of some dogs.

I think this is a wonderful thing that you have done - giving these two dogs a chance at a decent life. Try to be patient, while being safe. It could just be "survival" instincts coming out and an adjustment period.

Good luck...I sincerely hope you find a reasonable solution to this problem.


 
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they are trained. they know plenty of commands. they are leash-trained, go on walks. i've done all of this. i've worked with them diligently since we got them december 1 so that they would know what is expected of them.

that's why i'm at a loss.

we've done the entire submission routine, putting them on their backs, etc. but when you have two dogs fighting each other like a couple of pit bulls and only one person, you cannot hold them on their backs, let alone get them separated.

i'm going to call the shelter and talk with the behavoiral specialist. i'll let you know what i find out. i doubt she'll be in tomorrow since we are in the middle of a huge snowstorm again. most things are closed down tomorrow already.

they are both so tired from the fight tonight, they are hurting too. they have just laid around, loved on each other and lick each other's wounds. sigh.


 
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  • raindancer Said:
Well, Lo.. that IS weird since its a new behavior and everything was hunky dory before. Since they're shelter dogs, I'm assuming they're both spayed. It sounds like a fight for dominance. A year old sounds plenty old enough for that.

Do you have a crate? I would crate them seperately whenever you have to leave them alone in the house.

Watch their behavior carefully. SOMETHING is triggering the fights, you've just got to catch them before it starts to see who is doing WHAT.. then maybe it'll give you a better idea as to how to deal with it.

I'd also call the shelter and get some advice, didn't you say they had a behavior counselor type person that you could talk to? Her suggestions really helped out before, maybe it could help now too.

I'm sorry that's going down. New doggy stress is not good. I'm 6 ft from the edge myself. It's good to warn your kids to stay away if they fight. But it's scary to see that happen for a kid.




scary, yes, but zoe cracked me up tonight. i just told the girls to go on upstairs for the evening and i put the gate up to keep the dogs downstairs with me.

zoe said, yeah, that's a good idea since they seem to be so grouchy tonight.


 
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Aw! Sounds like Zoe has some smarts about doggy behavior!! This may sound weird, but I wonder if they are twins! You know how some human twins think the same thing at the same time and things like that? Possibly they have 'personal' differences and that makes them break into a fight? I have know humans like that Does not solve your issues but I thought maybe that might be some of what's going on. Don't know if you mentioned it but what age approximately are these pups? I am just curious


 
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they are estimated to be one year old.

something worth thinking about. it was amazing how attached they were to each other. they learned to survive together and almost died together so they were inseparable.

for some reason, this last week, this has happened.

i found a huge hole in bella's neck from the fight earlier blood everywhere. neither one of them want touched right now. they are sore and tired. i hope they realized just how much they hurt the other one becaus they are all lovey dovey right now, licking wounds and sleeping, etc.

they go nuts when the other one is not with them. upstairs. downstairs. inside. outside. in the bedroom, out of the bedroom. they have to see each other constantly or they go into panic attack mode. they are sooooo connected.

who knows, maybe they do have that twin thing going on? LOL


 
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the 1st thing to do is to get them fixed..
2nd would be for YOU to determent the peeeking order putting one dog above the other and with you on top feed one dog 1st always allow that dog to be 2nd out of the door (you being 1st)
3rd when they fight do not yell or pull at them this will only raise the intensity of the situation

when you do get them seperated take youre hand around their snot and squeeze it will grab their attention in secs (dont hold to long) tell them no fight bad dog

id say they are doing this bc they were with out for so long they feel like they need to compete with each other for the resources that they now have cuz lets be real.. they donno this will last forever.. but while they do they want to get the most they can not just they fair share.. it may seem like they HAVE to be together but they could just being keeping an eye out and on each other to make sure no one gets something the other doesnt... does that make since?


 
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