Username Post: Another Magazine Bit The Dust        (Topic#1580919)
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Scrapbooks, Etc. will no longer be published. There aren't many LSSs stores anymore either. Has the scrapbooking industry peaked? Is it the ecomony? Neither? Both? What are your thoughts?


 
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I think it's technology...Everything can be done online nowadays!


 
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I agree, I think on line publications will be the future. Too bad, I like paper but environmentally.....better.


 
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  • stick on 09-20-12 10:16 AM
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If a mag is actually formatted for reading online, I'm starting to enjoy them more than paper. I only get one mag at the moment and I read it on an ipad app, which it is formatted for, and it takes full advantage of the technology to add extra content like videos.

LSS's I think just can't compete with big box in so many ways, especially with the constant coupons that M's and J's has. And online shopping - even if you pay for shipping - can be lots better because you can get nearly anything, whereas with a B&M store you're stuck to the stock they carry. Not to mention that at least where I live the rents and etc. are impossible, there's no way an LSS could support itself for long.


 
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  • GMFTS on 09-20-12 10:30 AM
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  • Doreena Said:
I think it's technology...Everything can be done online nowadays!



Well I can't read an online mag in the tub unless I take the risk of ruining my electronic device.

I can't rip out pages, or turn down the corners, or flip back and forth easily.

Yes - I know, online I can do all of those things in a different way but not in a friendly way.

When I want to go look at something really close up I prefer paper.

And paper is far easier on my eyes and for someone who is having major issues with vision and pain from too much computer time that is huge.


 
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It was one of my favorite scrapbooking magazines.I still miss Simple Scrapbooking Magazine.


 
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We have a wonderful LSS here, I think it depends on where you are.

I love magazines, but not scrap mags. I think that there are plenty of other resources for scrappers and that the mags can be outdated before you even get them!


 
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I had a store for 3 yrs. You cannot compete with the big box stores unless your customers support you. You can order in exactly what your customer wants if they will just ask. You can usually provide. But,,, they have to shop your store. Go visit a LSS today (hopefully you still have one in your neighborhood!)


 
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i like a hardcopy too!


 
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I try to buy from my local store as much as I can...their prices are maybe a bit higher than online when you consider shipping charges...but I would rather pay for the convenience of shopping there vs. waiting for shipment. And I would rather be able to see paper and match cardstock colors, which is hard to do with online shopping. When I am in TX I do shop at J's, M's and HL (don't have a LSS there)...but here in CO I want my local store to stay in business. And they are wonderful about ordering special things for me.


 
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We had 4 (2 awesome and 2 notsomuch) LSS's and over the past 5 years, only one is left. Sooo sad. Luckily, I love the LSS we have left here. So much product--always new stuff to see--lots of classes--special sales--free make & takes--fun crops--they'll special order anything--helpful and friendly staff that (get this) actually USE the products they sell (ahem Ms & Js!) and they send a 40% coupon in their weekly newsletter. You have to spend $25 to get the 40, but like bigredssw said, I'll pay a little bit extra to keep our store going.

I'll miss Scrapbooks Etc, too.


 
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One of our LSS closed about a year ago...my favourite local one is still open. My very favourite store is about an hour and half drive from where I live so I only visit occasionally....
My favourite magazine is our "Canadian Scrapbooker"...it's really thick, has tons of great articles! The only downside is that it only comes out once per season (4x per year)...

I prefer an actual magazine to the on-line ones as well. I think the reason so many are shutting down is probably a complicated equation to do with fewer advertising dollars (advertisers probably prefer on-line ads....), maybe fewer customers and higher costs.....
Even if customers prefer the paper version, the advertisers are probably getting a bigger bang for their buck advertising on blogs, websites etc...and still hitting the same customers....

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I would just love to have a LSS!! None anywhere near me!! The big stores carry the same old stuff. I like being able to see paper collections in person versus online. I have purchased some and the coloring isn't what I expected!!! I do shop online for other things however and it's always fun getting packages in the mail!!!


 
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We've had 3 LSS come and go around here...they just can't make a go of it for one reason or another. The closest shop now is about 1/2 hour away. We are supposed to be getting an M's sometime soon though. I just get the Canadian Scrapbooker now also.


 
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I've seen local scrapbook stores bite the dust and usually the owners haven't been friendly, they were poorly run, never had new merchandise. Just not great store.

I've seen many local scrapbook stores thrive because they are doing everything right. I know of scrapbook stores around the country which are doing great. The one near me in the Villages - they just moved to a bigger store with better parking last year. They bring in guest artists like Tim Holtz and Theresa Collins. Great crops which are reasonably prices - 4 retreats a year. The owners are wonderful and everyone loves them. Always plenty of new things.

There are a lot of awesome scrapbook store out there but they really ahve to be good to compete with the box store.


 
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Oh boy this reminds me of my lss. I very rarely was able to go there cause it was like 45 min away but the main reason was cause they very rarely got anything new.

She had a page for fb and said she got some newstuff so I asked if she had gotten any mist and cub scout paper. And I got that whoever she gets her mist that they were out and the cub scout paper was hard to find.

So then when I contacted the manufacturers they both said that wasn't true.

The from her I get the "we have to be realistic speech" since I already knew she was lying and she just didn't want to get that stuff.

So I suggested that she could maybe take that tons of clearance stuff and maybe make several ebay lots to clear some room and have more money. And I said I guess i'd just try ebay for the stuff I couldn't get at her store.

Then I got the "it's people like you who put us out of business" speech. I was like Wait 1 minute! Everytime i've been there I could not find a single thing I went in there looking for but I always bought something even If I didn't want too!

First time i've ever been banned from anything but I got banned from her fb page and then I got a message from someone saying she'd keep me posted about a new store opening soon. Apparently some of the employees got so tired of dealing with her angry customers that they quit and openeed their own store.

Later that old lss had their first annual yard sale the following year they had their second and went out of business shortly after.

When the new store opened and they realized who I was they gave me a gift and at the first crop people felt bad for what that lady had done to me. Every time I tried that old lss I was treated like I had no idea what I was doing and half the time they had never even heard of the product I was asking about. But yet I still bought something from her. Most of the stuff in that store was probably at least 8 years old.

She even sent somebody on here after me as well.

just remembered a little more.

I think she just bought the stuff she liked and it was a big store. she still had stuff from companies like all my memories and daisy d's that have been out of business for years. Clearance prices were like just a maybe a a buck cheaper. And when she was going out of business she finally decided to put out new stuff that she'd been hoarding. Like it was before christmas time and she'd been saving valentine paper to put out at valentine day. She'd been saving it for almost a year.

And when she went out of business it wasn't till the last day I think that things finally only went down to 50% of. I really think she just wanted to hoard it all and take it home.


Edited by Cindyckj on 09-20-12 08:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.


 
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I love my LSS...great store. I shop there usually when I do big projects...love the specialty paper. She has a ton of classes and crops. Always fun to see what's new and exciting.

As for magazines...I like a hard copy too...I find it hard to leaf through a magazine online. Even my grocery store isn't carrying scrapbook magazines anymore. And my target only carries one...and I subscribe to it. I have found some Aussie and England mags at B&N. Those are interesting, but pretty expensive.

I don't think there is any comparison between a big box store and a LSS. I don't know about your big box stores..but the paper they carry is nothing like a LSS. Our BBS doesn't carry any specialty lines..except coordinations. You aren't finding BO Bunny or Graphic 45 in ours. BBS are great for the basics but to get the newest and the quality lines, you need to go to a LSS or order online.


Edited by deedee49 on 09-21-12 05:49 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.


 
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The South Florida area does not have any local LSS stores. There used to be a few but they all went out of business. I loved shopping at one of the LSS stores but I guess it is just really hard to keep going when there are tons of M's and J's around.


 
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I'm in South Florida. I had one LSS close (about 45 mins away). But the manager has gone back to preorders with pickup, which is how she began before opening the storefront. The rent was just too high I guess. But she sends out an email with the new collections, tells you what she plans on getting, you email your order, and pick up when it comes in. There's usually not a long wait for items either so it works out fine. I do have another LSS close to home but haven't had an opportunity to go there recently so I'm not sure if they're still open. But they're exclusively scrapbooking and I don't do 12x12 so I've never really gone that often anyway...


 
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There is no LSS near me. I think I would frequent that for single page patterned paper and cardstock if there was one.

I LOVE hard copy mags... online, not so much.


Edited by Hey Jude on 09-24-12 07:19 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.


 
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The one LSS near me closed. I loved the stuff they had and would have gone in there alot more IF the owner was nice. She was very cold, made you feel like you were gonna steal something and more than once made me stand around and wait to checkout while she chit chatted with her friend. Not a great shopping experience at ALL. I'm sure I wasn't the only one that felt that way-no wonder she closed

I miss Scrapbooks Etc! I wasn't a subscriber but picked one up every now and then. I love the technology of online-but prefer paper. I can't take my Ipad in the hot tub! I have an Ipad, a Kindle and I still buy paper books. After Scrapbooks Etc announced they were shutting down I went on E**y and bought a ton of back copies


 
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I wish I had a LSS. The closest one to me is an hour away. I like it, but it's really small. The other one is another 20 minutes or so farther. They have more things, but still not close enough to make myself any sort of regular.


 
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My closest LSS is 60 miles away, so is Walmart!! So I am always looking for the excuse to go over there to hit both places....LOL!! The LSS is in the back room of an auto parts store!! But since her dad owns the store, I assume she has either free or very cheap rent...which allows her to stay open when the other store closed because of high rent. And she has such good stuff for sale, I don't mind that the display isn't the greatest. She and her mom run the store and they are so friendly and helpful that I love going in and always want to stay longer. (Hubby is usually waiting in the car.) The big stores are good, but there is nothing like the personal and knowledgeable service I get here!!!


 
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I am lucky - we have 3 LSS with 30 mins of me. 2 of them are wonderful - the other is very large but doesn't seem to carry as many of the tools and supplies. I love going to all of them but the other 2 are definitely my favorites!!

As for mags - I think it's sad to see them end. I too like to have the paper version. For me - it's more convenient to use!


 
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No LLS around here but have a small J's. The closest scrapbook store is 2 hr away so it is a "girls day out" to go there. I quit buying magazines because I have so many and I find tons of ideas and articles online. I am thankful for scrapbook.com to keep me updated with the fresh ideas and techniques. Thanks everyone!


 
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BAd news for those os uf who don't have online services at home. I rather have the paper copy.


 
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  • angik on 09-25-12 09:08 AM
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Sad I like to read the magazines in paper just like books, but it's true everything is going online. Saddened about LSS stores too but the big stores can keep costs less like Hobby Lobby, Micheals and such. I think scrapbooking will always be around.


 
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There are no LSS around me not for like 4 hr drive. And the closet box store is 45 min away. So I dont shop at either much. And I dont like shoppin on line. So I save my money to make it count when i go shopping lol .. As far as the magazine thing. I sure miss the magazines. I dont like to read them on computer and i will never SB digitally. I would rather give up the hobby. BC That would defeat MY purpose to scrap. (It is my therapy )Bc i like to play with the paper, scissors, stuff. etc. Kajunkat Mary


 
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  • Vae on 09-25-12 05:45 PM
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We just got a new LSS about 2 blocks from where I live. I was seriously the happiest person in the world when I found out. They opened in July and I went for opening weekend. They have an amazing space... lots of crop space. Tons of tables, great natural light. No computer or wifi though, which makes it tough for me because I pretty much constantly look for ideas and techniques on my computer.

Unfortunately, after only a few months, they posted on FB that things have been really slow and they've cut back their hours.

Selection - My box stores have many more different types of papers. The LSS has more from specific product lines, but they are all kind of cutesy and mostly not my style. I've bought some papers that I thought I could use, but not very many. But if I go to a box store, I can usually find something from DCWV or at least more variation in the generic patterned paper.

The paper prices are kind of high, but I don't mind that when I just want a few sheets of something specific. Stickles are twice the price, but again I only bought one there. Usually, when I am in buying mode, I want to stock up, and unfortunately I just can't do it at these prices. If I want to buy 10 stickles, I'm going to go online. And the tools are outrageously expensive. They don't do any coupons at all. I'm all for supporting my local LSS, but I honestly cannot rationalize spending $60 on an ATG that I know I can get for $20.

I think I would go more if: 1) I didn't get as much pressure by the people working there, 2) they sent out a coupon every once in a while, 3) I would love to see some thing vintage-y or Tim Holtz-ish.


 
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  • Vae on 09-25-12 05:47 PM
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As for the magazines, my mind thinks I love paper magazines. However, in reality, I don't look at them (nor do I look at digital versions). I usually search for something on google and go to the images and then go to the site where the pic is. Or I search pinterest. The reason? I honestly don't think to flip through a magazine when I'm looking for something specific.

Of course, I have an entire bookshelf full of magazines and idea books, complete with flags on the pages I liked. But I only bring them out to look through them once every few months at the most.


 
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I used to go to my LSS all the time, but haven't lately simply because they can't keep up with carrying all the latest and greatest. When I first started out, I wasn't as picky and bought what they carry, but now that I've accumulated so much, I'm more selective. Now I tend to just shop online at sb.com.

That being said though, I do miss touching and feeling the product before purchasing. I recently purchased papers online from 2 manufacturers whom I've never bought stuff from before. One (Jillibean Soup), the quality was fantastic. The other I was not so pleased and wouldn't have bought if I had actually felt it at the store. There are other times where I'd ordered something online and the color wasn't quite what I'd anticipated.

In short, there are good and bad things about online vs. brick and mortar stores.


 
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We don't have any local stores. The closest is in the city about 90 miles away. I stock up when we go and order a lot, but agree I prefer to see and handle the stuff.

Great idea someone earlier had about getting back issues on evilbay. I bought 46 issues last night in one lot...scrapbooks, etc, creating keepsakes, memory makers,simple scrapbooks. $9.99!

I don't like digital at all. I got sxrapbooks, etc both in paper and on my kindle. I prefer the paper version.


 
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I hope they keep the website up and running for reference. Website bandwidth costs money also but with all the pop up ads there, maybe it can run itself.

I prefer magazines over online versions. You can pick a magazine up months later and find more inspiration! You can share them (magazines) and the inspiration (ideas) they give you with others.

The expense of paper and ink, competing for the advertising dollar, and companies having their own websites/blogs, making demo videos, tweeting, and FB fan pages, well, hard for LSS to be the middleman.

A few months ago, I renewed for another two years but they must have known then this was going to happen because they plan articles months in advance, so I feel very deceived to get a substitute for my remaining issues.
I am donating all my new replacement subscription BHG magazines to the public library.


 
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I don't even read my BHG either.What were they thinking ?!


 
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  • Vae on 09-26-12 05:42 PM
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Several people have called them to cancel their BHG replacement subscription and get a refund. Might be worth a shot if you don't read it.


 
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  • timon on 09-26-12 07:14 PM
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I agree! technology is taking over.

  • Doreena Said:
I think it's technology...Everything can be done online nowadays!




 
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I'm deffinately a paper gal too! I have always kept the magazines from when I had a subscription or bought a sb magazine so I still even have a few memory makers magazines.

One thing my new lss does is they have what's called "Trendy tuesday". So they do a video of a technique or how to use a new product and then for a week or something that product is featured in some kind of sale.

You can look up trendy tuesday and find the videos if you like.

I'm really blessed to finally have such a nice lss with a really really awsome owner!

I get paid just once a month and so during my monthly grocery shopping day I go in town and hit several stores. And so I go and spend as much as I can.


 
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I dont like my BHG either... if i would have wanted it i would have subscribed. They should have at least given us a couple of choices. And I am not a fan of technology either.. I think it is overrated in my book.


 
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My husband and I own a small print shop - and the industry is dying. I've seen TONS of large (and small) print shops close...people just don't do print promotion as much as they used to, for whatever reason. I'm lucky to have my business in a community that's quite...uhm...elderly. They're not much for technology (for the most part - prolly because Verizon is JUST putting in FIOS and the internet speeds are just now catching up.)

As for LSS's...I adore mine! They bring in special artists, pair with another SS a few hours away for large events and have new product coming in! We only have one (plus all the big box stores), but I prefer my LSS for variety. The box stores just don't carry as much! And the ability to splurge when I have extra cash helps, too. =)


 
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I love my LSS too. They have great taste, a nice variety of classes and they will do their part in staying involved with the local crafting community.


 
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I'm another one who prefers paper magazines to online. I miss both Simple Scrapbooking and Scrapbooks etc. I don't mind Creating Keepsakes, but I find that about 98% of their layouts of kid-related, and since I don't have kids, they're not really relevant to me. That said though, I have found some great ideas in CK for techniques and colour combinations.

I'm lucky to have a few great LSS's near me - one of which is right across the street from where I work! They always have lots of great new product, and the staff are all super-friendly.

Jen


 
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It's sad that the demise of the LSS is happening. I used to work for a bricks and mortar store teaching classes. I don't believe that online stores can offer the same service in this area as a bricks and mortar store. However, their overheads are a lot more than an online store. .....therefore the price difference.
They lady I worked for used to get in product for people , however this was often not easy. Someone may come in and ask for a particular type of paper that is very specific and to to everyone's taste, and there would be a minimum order.....it was tricky.....annoy the customer and not get it in? Or get in 25 of the paper that you might be lucky to sell five of? Some manufacturers used to have a minimum order of 50 sheets, this means that as a LSS owner, you are not ale to get the new stuff as quickly....you have to sell what you have to be able to get more in KWIM? It's certainly a catch 22.

My LSS owner did get very good tutors in on a regular basis. But the thing that made her the most money was beginner classes....get people who were new....get them hooked...and they would spend. Those of us who have a substantial stash are a lot harder to please I think,

Now that I have shifted my LSS is not great. The lady buys all this old rubbish, that was popular ten years ago....she complains that no one supports her, but she has nothing modern. I try to support her as much as I can, but I find more and more I reach for my mouse to do my ordering if scrap supplies.

I have not seen a scrapbooks etc mag for a few years, I used to get them regularly when I lived in a scrappy city....what a pity.....nothing like the feel of a crisp clean mag to flick through.


 
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I used to get several sb magazines, but no more. I think I still get Creating Keepsakes and Paper Crafts. I love them, but they're expensive and I get limited inspiration from them. I get more on sb.com! And one of those mags keeps using product from a company that, when you go to their direct-sale site, is out of everything consistently. Very frustrating.

As for LSS, we haven't had one around here in a few years. I've got the Scrapbook Superstore an hour and a half away, but that's as close to a LSS as I get. The closest HL or M's is 45 minutes away. Needless to say, I shop a lot online at sb.com!


 
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